tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13642801.post5310261245226632225..comments2024-01-07T09:34:44.086-05:00Comments on What Canst Thou Say?: The Revitalization of the Quaker MessageRobin M.http://www.blogger.com/profile/10336915224193704866noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13642801.post-45702412305243418302010-10-09T23:46:16.892-04:002010-10-09T23:46:16.892-04:00Daniel, then you should definitely read Brent Bill...Daniel, then you should definitely read Brent Bill's series. I think Quakerism is such an odd duck that it would require explaining no matter what the word was.Robin M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10336915224193704866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13642801.post-87618435045037548162010-10-09T17:58:59.695-04:002010-10-09T17:58:59.695-04:00Hi Robin,
Thanks for the post on sharing "go...Hi Robin,<br /><br />Thanks for the post on sharing "good news".<br /><br />Some good points.<br /><br />My only difficulty is identifying with the label "Quaker" itself. The term seems to have the same problem of "Christian". The words have become so content-empty, even filled with stuff/values that contradict.<br /><br />When I share that I am a Quaker or Christian, I often need to spend so much time explaining what I don't support that I have come to the conclusion maybe a new term needs to be given with the new "wineskins."<br /><br />In the Light,<br /><br />Daniel WilcoxDaniel Wilcoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05178375087492786696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13642801.post-80413245128354017592010-10-09T12:29:53.408-04:002010-10-09T12:29:53.408-04:00Stephanie, yes, I've had good conversations an...Stephanie, yes, I've had good conversations and awkward conversations. I think that even the awkward ones serve a purpose, if only to help us think about what we should have said, and they still get the word out that there are Quakers, even if I'm not the best example of one.Robin M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10336915224193704866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13642801.post-53067462213580491182010-10-09T00:45:08.653-04:002010-10-09T00:45:08.653-04:00Robin, your idea of just mentioning so that people...Robin, your idea of just mentioning so that people will know who to ask if they are interested resonated with me. I do this sometimes and it's how I knew who to ask when I got interested. A woman in my "moms group" had mentioned her Quaker meeting a couple of times in passing. (e.g., "Some people from my Quaker meeting offered to watch my child so I could go to XYZ for the weekend.") Later, when I decided I wanted to visit the local Quaker meeting, but was nervous about what to expect from silent worship, I emailed her. Getting my questions answered -- just about the "order of worship" (or lack thereof) -- made that first visit much more enjoyable.<br /><br />One thing people might want to be prepared for, however, is that merely mentioning "my Quaker Meeting" can sometimes launch you into a question and answer session that can be awkward if you are not prepared for it. I've BTDT and wrote a blog post about it, lol!<br /><br />HayQuaker, great suggestion about social network sites. I had Quaker in my full FB profile, but didn't have it visible on the sidebar on my FB wall. So I fixed it and now it is!<br /><br />Stephanienaturalmomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15594383847916759287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13642801.post-27995276390779296232010-10-08T00:20:27.208-04:002010-10-08T00:20:27.208-04:00Hi Birg - I know too many people who feel like you...Hi Birg - I know too many people who feel like you do. And I think there are more out there who will be grateful if we are more out there.<br /><br />Mia - I agree, it can't be the place to start, or be the point of, <b>every</b> conversation, but from time to time, it's not a bad thing. <br /><br />Fortunately, coming out of the Quaker closet in the US is a lot less risky than coming out as gay or lesbian these days.Robin M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10336915224193704866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13642801.post-57235357195052007032010-10-07T12:41:34.356-04:002010-10-07T12:41:34.356-04:00October 11 is National Coming Out Day. Are you a ...October 11 is National Coming Out Day. Are you a closetted Quaker?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13642801.post-18147307527910617532010-10-07T11:38:46.961-04:002010-10-07T11:38:46.961-04:00My husband and I have begun to do this to some deg...My husband and I have begun to do this to some degree, although it really does depend on the situation. I find it a bit difficult to just start talking about my faith right off the bat, because I was taught that that was considered rude. But generally it will come up in some form or fashion in my day to day conversations. Thanks for the reminder that we need to keep doing this! <br /><br />MiaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13642801.post-19480057690673166032010-10-07T09:31:09.982-04:002010-10-07T09:31:09.982-04:00I agree completely. I am a new Quaker and found it...I agree completely. I am a new Quaker and found it pretty much by the grace of God. Quakerism is the best kept secret everyone should know about. <br />I searched for years trying to find a way of worshipping that fit. I ultimately found it in a small meeting house like 2 miles from where I grew up. Heck I thought all the Quakers were dead and it was some historical society keeping the building up. Yeah, Its time to spread the "Good News" about the Quakers.<br /><br />BirgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13642801.post-32751092540132253422010-10-07T00:13:34.935-04:002010-10-07T00:13:34.935-04:00Thank you. It's not exactly a new or very orig...Thank you. It's not exactly a new or very original idea, but it bears repeating from time to time.Robin M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10336915224193704866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13642801.post-16394762288650548532010-10-06T15:53:13.233-04:002010-10-06T15:53:13.233-04:00Wonderful idea, Robin!Wonderful idea, Robin!Brent Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01351957537347562545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13642801.post-46777272074771551092010-10-06T14:11:31.025-04:002010-10-06T14:11:31.025-04:00Forrest, I believe that I chose my religion, after...<b>Forrest</b>, I believe that I chose my religion, after hovering between three alternatives for some time. I believe I chose my wife (and she chose me), and I believe I chose many (though by no means all) of my friends.<br /><br />I don’t agree that there is a taboo to be overcome. I do agree with you, though, that the “willingness to converse openly about religious issues” is very precious. The <i>ability</i> to so converse — which goes beyond mere willingness, because it also requires an ability to be dispassionate — is even more so.<br /><br />And, <b>Robin</b>, I agree that a <i>readiness</i>, such as you describe, to talk about one’s own religious life, is a very important part of what’s needed. Readiness, too, seems to me to be a step beyond mere willingness.Marshall Massey (Iowa YM [C])http://journal.earthwitness.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13642801.post-90598867413803296872010-10-06T13:21:47.437-04:002010-10-06T13:21:47.437-04:00LC - I am so glad that you had friends who were op...LC - I am so glad that you had friends who were open enough about being a Quaker that you knew to research it. That is what I am talking about.<br /><br />Hay - Totally agree. Thanks for an easy suggestion that other people can take up.<br /><br />Forrest, :-) We can try. <br /><br />Marshall, I have to admit that I don't have much experience with one-on-one evangelism. I have lived all of my adult life in urban areas and in lefty circles within that, and I have never had anyone ask me if I was saved. <br /><br />I think the key to starting this conversation is not to imply that the other person should become a Quaker. But just to say, on Monday morning at work when someone asks how your weekend was, that you went to this interesting discussion at your Quaker meeting. That is no more imposing on anyone than saying you heard this great new band on Saturday night. Or hiked on such and such a trail. And it leaves it open for someone who is interested, now or someday in the future, to know who they should ask about Quakers. <br /><br />My own big risk lately was during a rough patch at work, when a co-worker was sympathizing, to say clearly that this was giving me an opportunity to practice my Christian values of patience, humility and forgiveness. (Everybody here already knows that I'm a Quaker. In SF, it's a bigger deal to out myself as a Christian.)<br /><br />I really have low expectations for this "campaign." It's not intended to be a high pressure sell. My real goal is that no one in America (or England or Mexico) would say, "Quakers? I thought they were all dead."Robin M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10336915224193704866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13642801.post-56431774145331047332010-10-06T13:20:33.563-04:002010-10-06T13:20:33.563-04:00Marshall, do we ever "choose" our religi...Marshall, do we ever "choose" our religion? (Choose our wives, [really] choose our friends, etc?) And can we really give our religion to anyone, no matter how much we want to? (even when we and they belong to the very same religious disorganization!)<br /><br />There's a taboo to be overcome: the notion that "religion" is a personal matter akin to one's preference in tooth pastes, or one's notions about optimal diet-- and overall, not a subject that can be profitably talked about (except to put down those "Fundamentalists" with their stupid beliefs that none of us present share [and we wouldn't want to look at the possibility of them being right about anything whatsoever, those people so intrinsically uncool and unus!]<br /><br />I think there's a big difference between "Accept my doctrinal soundbite; it's just what you need!" and the willingness to converse openly about religious issues. By being willing, you give others permission! (But too often, admittedly, they're afraid of it, are only able/willing to talk about it on a smalltalk level, treat it as a sort of hometeam rooting occasion, etc. Pitfalls abound, and one probably needs to be obsessed, just to overcome the fear of rebuffs. But to God, all things are possible, and when they're being possible, such a talk can be wonderful, even if the victim never comes near a Meeting...forresthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13861950371962268402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13642801.post-83685541234968399462010-10-06T10:16:58.618-04:002010-10-06T10:16:58.618-04:00I like and share your overall concern. But I’m a ...I like and share your overall concern. But I’m a tad skeptical of the approach you suggest in that pledge.<br /><br />In my own life, back in my twenties, I found that whenever I “worked” my belief in the desirability of my religion into a conversation, it was off-putting to the person I was talking with.<br /><br />I have come to believe that the topic of one’s choice of religion is so big, so overwhelmingly big, that it cannot just be casually worked into a conversation. It must be the point of the conversation from the very beginning. And there must be a clear shared sense amongst all participants that this is what they all want to talk about. Otherwise, the conversation is imposed, and the very fact that I am willing to impose it on others without their agreement is enough to discredit the whole thing.<br /><br />I’d be interested in knowing if you, and other readers, see the matter differently —Marshall Massey (Iowa YM [C])http://journal.earthwitness.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13642801.post-65885753184507419122010-10-06T06:21:18.785-04:002010-10-06T06:21:18.785-04:00But can we say this to our fellow Quakers? Most of...But can we say this to our fellow Quakers? Most of the ones I know personally don't seem to know...forresthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13861950371962268402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13642801.post-42451358603860933072010-10-06T05:41:02.411-04:002010-10-06T05:41:02.411-04:00One of the best ways that you can start to tell th...One of the best ways that you can start to tell the world that you are a Quaker is to make certain that the 'Q word' appears prominently on social networking site profiles - face-book, twitter etc.. Many Friends I know could not be identified as a Quakers from their published profiles. Your friends should know that you are a Quaker as well as your Friends.Ray Lovegrovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01741025951408554324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13642801.post-12183961276742165652010-10-06T04:44:54.893-04:002010-10-06T04:44:54.893-04:00hi, excellent post! I am newly quaker, but a long...hi, excellent post! I am newly quaker, but a long time christian. I grew up in a church that was initially good, but ended up super strict and unloving. It was very difficult to the leave the church and I thought I would never be involved with a 'church' again. Then, a few of my friends were quaker and I decided to research it. Wow!<br /><br />I think you are so right about people not knowing about quakers. I also think that it is important to emphasis that quakers basically break every stereotype (judgemental, conservative, procapitalism, etc) that exists about christians.LCnoreply@blogger.com